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where do we go from here

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  • Started 2 years ago by melksham
  • Latest reply from Stephen Austin

  1. Well it just gets better and better! I had an email today off a 14 year old where the organisation concerned told him he was to young to be a theatre organ player!!! Whatever next???? It's beyond belief! He asked my advice and needless to say (after my own experiences) to stick to the church organ.

    So you have to be 17 to drive, 18 to drink and smoke and now it seems like there is an age limit on playing the theatre organ!!!!

    Oh well, guess he is gonna have some penalty points on his organ licence then!

    Chris Thompson.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. Richard Moore
    Member

    Dear Chris,

    I have just read your article in Organfax with interest.

    Having been involved with a music shop in Hastings for 23 years before moving on some 11 years ago I saw a steady decline in the sale of home organs when keyboards arrived on the scene in the early 80’s. However, I embraced this at the time as they were still creating music, which is what we all aim to do.

    During this time I was a supporter of the Music Trades Association and attended their annual conferences in various locations and remember one in particular in Bournemouth in the late 80’s when a speaker said the nation spent more on baked beans than what they did on musical instruments. You would think that all dealers would have returned to their shops and pulled down the shutters. But thankfully they did not and although I am not on the music retail scene these days shops have found new directions and still are going strong to this day.

    So knowing the organ market was dying in the late 80’s by the time I arranged the first Wurlitzer Concert at Rye in September 1990 on not even a half working instrument I never would have realised I would be writing this in an authoritative way some 19 years later and still arranging and enjoying the concerts we hold throughout the year.

    Chris, as our President at Rye for the past two years and keeping you up to speed with newsletter in the past plus of course your own appearances over the years you have seen what we have achieved, and you have written some very nice things about us, which, is always appreciated.

    I set myself challenges over the years to get certain artistes to appear. Over this time I can safely say I have ticked all the boxes and now of course we are fortunate that they agree to return either annually or two yearly .

    You mentioned involving Rotarians, we tried this at Rye last year on a separate evening away from our Sunday concerts. Len Rawle demonstrated the instrument to 60 new people who had never been to a concert before, the result was worthwhile but not ground breakingly successful that we would make it an annual promotion but would try it again and involve more clubs i.e Lions, W.I, Masonic Lodge. Rye is famous for Scollops and a festival is arranged each February we hope to take part next year. Once again – something completely different.

    The underlying problem is people are always too busy doing other things. We all have too much choice in our social lives. I have noticed and of course appreciated that we have a great team that attend and assist with the concerts and their support has been wonderful over the years, but as far as supporters go , attending the concert it appears to me is always the second option. Family babysitting, Family event, or another event if it clashes they will do this first and Rye concerts comes second. Frustrating but true.

    So as not to clash with other venues from 2010 all Rye concerts will be on the 4th Sunday of the month, so that we don't hear the excuse " Sorry we can't be with you we are listening to X at Y". If it helps maintain our audiences then so be it.

    Locals ( interpreted as those living in the town of Rye with a population of close to 4,000). Of a current membership of around 200 only 20 are local and that’s an improvement of how it has been in the past. Now the organ has been moved to the stage and it rises from the pit we are enjoying an inquisitive period of seeing new faces. We have relied so much on people travelling from away as much as 50 miles to a concert, so if the old faithfulls are getting older, no longer with us or caught in bad weather then they won't come to the concert.
    In April I have produced a questionnaire for our quarterly newsletter, we have done this twice before with positive feedback. It will be a good check to see if we are doing the right things for existing members and to plan ahead.

    Our numbers have decreased , I think we peaked twice at 400 with Robert Wolfe's first visit and for John Marsh the BBC Newsreader with the Local Wind Orchestra both of those were in the late 90's when the organ was still on it side and we had to make the rostrum stage. Audiences now vary greatly between 100 on a bad afternoon to 275 on a good day. So, if I was being totally cynical I could say why bother with what we have done in the past 10 years as it has not made any difference. Possibly a little true but what matters it we have supplied a service of happiness to hundreds of people during this time with the creation of beautiful popular music performed by the nations favourite organists and that positive ethos wins hands down every time.

    There is no pattern to our concert attendance because of some of the reasons mentioned and you just have to learn to cope and budget for this. However clubs need to try new things as otherwise they will fall into the trap of booking the same 24 artists over a two year period which gets predictable to members.

    Personally over the 19 years I have had to evolve to make it interesting for me and to maintain my own interest. Club committee members should ask the question “am I still enjoying it “, the answer should be a resounding yes. If it isn’t then you need to stop, think and look at ways to motivate yourself as well as members after all it’s a hobby and not a chore or obligation to society at large.

    Without thinking I developed some humour to the concerts in 2003 which now seems to be expected, a challenge in itself, as I prefer never to do the same thing twice at Rye , however, supporters still keep laughing so must be doing something correct. Recently I made a list for the Fancy Dress Shop of the costumes I had hired ( over 80) as I am running out of ideas now ( surprisingly) and they needed to know what else they had in the shop that would fit me!!

    Friends of Rye Wurlitzer have just been awarded three thousand, five hundred pounds from the Sussex Grass Roots foundation for our Audio Visual project for 2009 which should be ready by May 2009. However, Grass Roots also assist with running costs and every area has a Grass Roots Foundation. It is run by the Third World Sector and I would seriously encourage all club secretaries to seek this out for your region as they have some serious amounts of money to give away, not just for specific projects – as you all rightly know Organ Clubs are a fundamental part of our community.

    Awards for All and the Arts Council of England have been kind and very generous with 19,500 being award with a 10-year gap in between. Without these kinds of funding we would not have achieved half of what we have. But if there is an opportunity there clubs need to go for it, seek it out and would definitely encourage clubs to seek out this money that is out there. If you don’t apply for it someone else will. Its not a matter of pride – its making your club survive and entertain your members.

    Sorry to have waffled, but your article made me reflect , never realising I would be involved with one project and a wonderful hobby for so long. 19 years on, is there another 19 years out there of concerts. That's a difficult as we all know members are getting older, but statistics show that it is an aging population and time should be focused on getting older people along to listen, but also to encourage talented youngsters to perform. One of my missions at the moment is to get a student of Rye College to compete at Woking at the Young Theatre Organist of the Year Competition. Although we have a wonderful supportive Principal at Rye College we have a Head of Music who is Anti Wurlitzer since arriving seven years ago, so, at the moment I am on a hiding to nothing – watch this space.

    Clubs should focus on “selling” the idea of their club to their own age group in their own area. Write an article for the local paper, I did recently and they produced about three weeks later when they were short of rape and pillage the most wonderful article with a full colour photo of the Wurlitzer, space if it was a paid for advert would have cost several hundred pounds.

    At your next committee meeting make a list of 12 things to try, one a month for the next year, no more as you have a club to run. Try them, but see it through to all 12, don’t give up after the first two. You have to be consistent.

    What have we learnt in all this, I think all clubs have to just keep trying and trying to make themselves known. Club websites can be very informative and provide a mountain of information to the uninitiated to the hobby, but, are you on speaking terms with your local Tourist Information Office, Rye has been a superb supporter for years. As you said in your article its the little things that count, in the current economic small is beautiful and I am not encouraging anyone to try large projects its not always the big event that works consistency is the answer, as after all, we are talking of long term survival.

    If it helps I have listed some organisations that it is worth approaching in your own locality. If they say no, its only cost a stamp but make your presentation eye catching and memorable. For both lottery applications I presented ,the relevant questions to be answered were on the right hand side of the folder, with corresponding photos, press articles, testimonials on the left. So, a 10 page application was in fact a 20 page wonderful presentation which got results as we were awarded the money we required.

    By now you must be fast asleep but I will leave you with a list and an action plan.

    Wishing you every success with your endeavors in keeping YOUR CLUB and YOUR MEMBERS well and truly alive. Don’t dwell on past time, they are all but wonderful memories but think to the future and create and continue to create something so positive in making and listening to music.

    Best Wishes,

    Richard Moore
    Chairman Friends of Rye Wurlitzer

    http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/third_sector.aspx – This will put you in the right direction for Grass Roots support in your area.

    http://www.j4bcommunity.co.uk – An electronic two weekly newsletter that I receive but do not subscribe to. It lets me see what funding opportunities are available. It’s very informative and may lead to some areas having more opportunities than others.

    Have you tried the following in YOUR area?

    Landfill Companies - always wanting to raise their profile in the community.

    Local Police Fund

    Local Bank Charity Funds – Even in these times, have you a member that works for a bank. Can you take part in a sponsored event where they match fund what the individual raises? A local bank ( and not who we bank with) has supported for three years with a sponsored 10 mile walk we take part in with the local Rotary Club.

    Awards for All = A must to have a go at. You will need a constitution, accounts and a local referee but a really easy application that you can personalise to make it look special.

    Co operative Community Fund – yet another success for support at Rye in recent years

    Service Clubs; Rotary Round table Lions – All run by successful local business people who take great pleasure in enjoying themselves and raise money for the community at the same time. Your club is the Community ask them for some help.

    Make a list :-

     Start by revisiting and developing your whole club plan. 12 simple ideas per year.

     Be clear on what you want to achieve as a club in the short, medium and long term.

     Be clear on what resources you need to achieve this.

     Form a project team to take your ambitions forward.

     Prioritise your clubs needs.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. Interesting article. However, I must disagree where you said about "selling" the idea of an organ group to OLDER people. It should be sold to EVERYONE. If a more varied age group was involved we might brake the cliques that exist.

    Im pleased that at Rye you encourage young organists - remember thought that 14 is to young to be playing the organ!!! At least according to one organisation it is!! Honestly, I am still in disbelief over that.

    I dont know anything about Rye but for me most organ societies have all the aims and their fancy statements about encouraging new people, welcoming new faces etc and the usual waffle but rarely does it actually happen. As said, I dont know Rye so im not including you there.

    Looking back, they say everything happens for a reason and as time goes on I believe in this idea more and more. I suppose being driven out of the theatre organ world has worked out to be a blessing for me as it got me further involved with the church organ and as a result I have met some of the loveliest, most genuine and most welcoming people I could ever wish to meet - far far more than what I ever found in the theatre organ world with exception to the guys at Wolverhampton, Howden-le-Wear and Greenlaw and organfax team of course!

    Chris.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. melksham
    Member

    I am sorry to hear of the problems a few of you have had, May I say with all honesty that you would not be treated like you have by our club. We have had several new young artiste in the last few years, and we try to make room for them in our programmes.Now I know we are not the same league as you because we are electronic organs,but I can assure you our members all enjoy all kinds of organs and make regular visits to see theatre organs ETC.Chris has been a regular artiste at our club and I like to think he enjoys It.
    Betty Stone

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. wooly115
    Member

    We have some strong views on here, so I'll add my thoughts for what they're worth. My father has always had an interest in organs and encouraged my brother (Michael Wooldridge) and I to learn both to play and to attend concerts from when we were young. Whilst I'm an ok amateur, I never had Michael's talent so decided to work off stage and became secretary of the Sussex Organ Society when I was in my early 20's - before my entire life became taken over by work! Like many societies, the committee members weren't so much elected by a vote, they were usually the only people willing to take on the duties. My fellow committee members were a good bunch who welcomed me despite my youth (and Steve Parsons was an excellent Chairman), so rather than criticise committee members we should be thankful they're prepared to work for the club and should support them and perhaps make helpful and diplomatic suggestions as to how the club could be even better - whether for them, the audience, or the artistes.

    To go to a society as the organist and then be ignored by the Chairman or committee sounds like bad form (I'd say rude, but without knowing the full circumstances it would be wrong to judge). I know Michael loves playing for societies and has made many friends around the country in the process. Certainly I've never once heard him say that he hasn't been treated well at any venue, so I think the club referred to above are the exception rather than the norm.

    As many of you will know, Michael won the ATOS Young Organist of the Year award back in 1980 (he would have been 15 then). He had been fortunate enough to play a number of theatre organs before that (so 14 is clearly not too young!) and received enormous support and encouragement from the Rawle family. Len may not thank for me suggesting it, but I'm sure if any youngsters who are struggling to find somewhere to play ask Len for advice he will do his very best to help.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. melksham
    Member

    To Wooly115
    We have your brother Michael with us next month 21st April Why don,t you come with him , and as far as I am concerned you will be more than welcome
    Betty Stone

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. melksham
    Member

    Roger thank you for your offer but as we are booked at leaste18 months in advance can I get back to you later on?
    Betty

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. wooly115
    Member

    Betty - Thank you for your kind offer and proof that most clubs are very hospitable! Sadly, I have what Michael calls a proper job and work very long hours, so I rarely get a chance to see him in concert (or at all!). If I can join you both on 21st, I'll make the effort to do so.
    David

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. Can I just comment that my wife and I are friends of the Trowbridge club secretary.We have visited many times and he has taken us to Melksham on occasions.Can I say we have always been made welcome at both clubs.I must also say that we have visited several other venues around the country and sadly not always had the same greeting.Some have given you the look of being a green one eyed monster.I once recall visiting a Theatre Organ venue when Russell Holmes was the organist.The Owner objected to Russell selling his CD's at first.All that could be sold was his refreshments.Not the best way to treat your visiting organist & his supporters.(Thats possibly why the organ has now been removed!).Whilst writing I would like to make mention of Gainsborough organ society and what a welcome you get.We only manage to visit 2 or 3 times per year but always have the same greeting as if being regulars.Our club slogan is A warm welcome awaits you at Belper & District Organ & Keyboard Club.One or two other venues should try to turn up the heat just a little bit!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Steve R
    Member

    The title for this topic is "Where do we go from here?" Quite honestly, I dont know. I dont think people at an organ society being nice is the answer.

    I started paying the organ in 1979, when our local organ society was packed, nearly every town had an organ shop, there were around 8 within 25 miles of my home.

    Now there isnt a single shop which actually sells organs within 200 miles and all 4 of the local organ societies have closed.

    I dont think the organ has helped itself. How many parents are going to fork out several thousand for an organ when you can but a violin for £100?

    If you attend a local organ society, how many people there are below retirement age?, a handful if that. So if this is the case, as memberships diminish through old age, what will be left of the organ circuit in 15-20 years time? very little if nothing.

    They key will be to increase interest in young people.

    As a child, there was a real buzz around the organ circuit. The festivals were huge, there would be many young people in attendance, society audiences were fed by abounding independant, yamaha and technics music schools pupils.

    My desire was to be a professional player. At the age of 16+ I was playing a few local organ societys. In view of the state of the organ world, I can now say that I am grateful that I did not pursue this further as a viable career.

    At that time, a breeding ground for would be professionals and organ society members were the competitions. I lived for these events whether it was the Technics Musical Festival, Yamaha Festival, Regional Keyboard Championships and comptetions for young organists put on by the local clubs.

    How many of these competitions now take place. You could probably count them on two fingers.

    What about if all UK organ societies got together to create a new organ championship, which could get young people interested, with heats at society level, feeding onto regional events and then a national final. The winner could appear at one of the festivals, be in a music magazine or something.

    Although it would be more difficult to replicate the past, with fewer ogan shops and schools are around, could this not be a starting point? Could societies not link in with music shops to advertise avents, local papers etc to gain interest.

    Whether it be music, sports or anything else, kids like to compete. It provides a structure and a focus. Plus it gives someone drive to be better than they already are.

    It's just an idea guys.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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