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  • Started 1 year ago by Stephen Austin
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  1. Stephen Austin
    Member

    I'm having a moan !!!!!!!!!!!

    Prompted by a long and interesting conversation with two prominent keyboard/organ performers ..................In this day and age of the electronic (single) keyboard, why, oh why are the published albums of keyboard music aimed at the, shall we say "early grades". Why are there few, if any KEYBOARD albums that cater for the advanced player?
    Some of my adult education class students have purchased books from an here-un-named series in which the melody lines are simplified beyond belief and the chords offered leave me climbing up the walls.
    OK, it gives me material for teaching in that we can research the more accurate versions, experiment with more adventurous chords, but it is all too often found that some keyboard players are accepting these versions as "gospel" and not realising they are performing musical "howlers" (as recently heard at an organ society "members concert" - NOT at Blackpool Keyboard Club, may I add.
    It could be said that there is plenty of material of an advanced nature to be found in organ albums and piano copies (and the now stale Kenneth Baker series', but these present the KEYBOARD player with much unnecessary material - i.e bass pedal lines, bass clef, too many staves and so on.
    With all the professionals out there, would it not be an idea to consider some "performers arrangements" of well known standards, some tuneful modern pop music with adventurous right hands, somewhat juicier chords than 7ths and some really well thought out registration/rhythm changes etc., to stimulate the more advanced player, and give us teachers something to get our students' teeth into.
    Examination Board material is available at higher grades, written by professional players but often composed uniquely for the exams and frankly is met with little enthusiasm by prosepctive candidates.
    Also........I (and the other two conversants) are of the opinion that one of the contributing factors to the demise of the home ORGAN was that not enough home organists were prepared to learn PROPERLY and I mean P R O P E R L Y - i.e devote time and effort over a considerable period.
    I have just taken on a new adult student. I find out that he has had one keyboard or another for the last 12 years, yet has never had a lesson (till he phoned me) and after 12 years of prodding, still cannot play ONE SINGLE TUNE !!
    ............and he expects me to teach him to play by ear. He has another think coming.
    I have tried to encourage some of my more advanced keyboard students to move UP to an electronic organ - I may as well try and convert their religion !!
    Why the reluctance to even have a go?
    Dohhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    I'm a pussycat really!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. blackpooldancer
    Member

    I couldn't agree more. I have only been playing keyboard for a couple of years but have outgrown most of the beginner type books (why do they keep repeating the same songs in different books?) I find it difficult to find anything a bit more advanced other than organ or piano books.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Stephen Austin
    Member

    Ah, well you should go to S. J. Music Tuition in Blackpool and the Fylde for some "how to do it" lessons! :-)

    Me, in other words.

    (mmmmmmmmm.......perhaps you do, already????!!)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. blackpooldancer
    Member

    I'm afraid i'm very much a 'teach myself person' Probably not the best way, but I enjoy it that way. Two years ago I'd never played a note, but quite happy with the way I'm progressing. Just love to be dancing in the Tower and listening to the music, particularly Chris and his new Wersi / Tyros3 combo.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. NicEL8000
    Member

    Interesting topic, and I pretty much agree with all the above.

    Blackpooldancer - top marks to you for putting the effort in yourself, and getting results! THIS is what's needed! MORE people with a positive attitude like yours, prepared to put the hard graft in to acheive the results. One of my motto's is - "you only get out what you put in". The best teacher in the world will do nothing for people that are not prepared to do the "spade work". The teacher's time is totally wasted if the pupil is not willing to do the hard work.

    Stephen, I see where your coming from re the tuiton books, and I do agree, but call me cynical, (or just ground down with people refusing to do the required spade work), but I really think you have hit the nail on the head with the "time and effort over a considerable period" line, (that should be a mantra, ha ha!), and it IS like asking some to convert their religion. I know of one club that has killed it's members nights stone dead because of above players like you mentioned and the constant "howlers" left, right and centre (of which they are totally oblivious to) - I also know of other clubs that have perfectly good players, many of them self taught (oddly enough by starting on organ first) and they are indeed very pleasing to listen to. I suppose it boils down to the individual, and what their goals, and ambitions are.... We've touched on this subject before :-)

    Oh, and Blackpooldancer, I agree with your sentiments about Chris playing the Wersi/Tyros combo - it sounds absolutely stunning. I've only heard it on youtube - sadly, not the real thing at Blackpool, but it still sounds fab on my computer speakers :-)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. blackpooldancer
    Member

    Thanks for the words of encouragement. My only regret is not learning to play earlier in life, but I guess may not have had enough time before retirement, but now I can manage a few hours a day at the keyboard, when I'm not dancing of course! I recently installed the TTT / Chris Hopkins Tower wurlitzer samples on my Tyros3 and just love 'playing the wurlitzer'. Here's one of my first attempts.
    http://www.box.net/shared/935aos19u3

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. NicEL8000
    Member

    Thanks so much for sharing that link with us blackpooldancer! Just listened to it and thought it was excellent :-) I'm not a Theatre buff, but it was so refreshing to hear the Tyros played like that - great sounds, lovely melody and playing - an inspiration to other keyboard/organ owners out there. The fact that there is an absence of full accompaniment and drums (yay! someone brave enough to do that), actually makes it sound just like the real thing.

    Don't regret the fact you didn't learn to play before retirement - instead, enjoy how much you have achieved since you started playing. I know of people that have been playing 20/30+ years that still cannot get anywhere near your level of playing, let alone to the stage of getting a piece to an acceptable standard to record. You are proof that it's not how many hours, or years of playing hundreds of tunes that counts, it's how hard you work at the particular time you are at the keyboard. Spending an hour "polishing" a few bars counts for far more than 6 months of "diddling" and half finished attempts.

    Wish more keen people would share their tracks on here. Look forward to hearing future tracks from you. Keep up the good work! :-)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. blackpooldancer
    Member

    Thanks again. I agree it would be good if more people shared their music on here. but I guess most Yamaha players share on the YPKO forum.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. JLOW
    Member

    Would very much welcome advice on how to belong to box net to allow me to share my music with you on THIS forum.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. blackpooldancer
    Member

    If you go to http://www.box.net and register for a free account, this will give you limited space to upload your files. They will email you asking you to upgrade to 'pay' accounts, but the free one is ok for uploading mp3 music files.

    Assuming you have recorded your performance, it will need to be converted to mp3 format to reduce its size. I use the free download from Realplayer to do this. http://www.real.com/realplayer/media-converter

    Then on Box.net follow the instruction to upload your file. Once uploaded, hit the button to share the file and you will be given a share address which you can then post on here.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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